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[Eurovision] Spain in 2017, the year were the Spanish fans just went into civil war

I was going to wish everyone a happy new year, but writing this took so long that I'm not sure I still can do it. But just in case, happy new year everyone!
First, a quick announcement: as you can see I'm posting this under a new account. This is because I post A LOT in my other account and many of my posts are NSFW, which was creating trouble for people who wanted to search for my other drama posts, so I made this account to make things easier. Don't worry, none of the past posts are gone. I'll keep a pinned post in my profile with a neat index of all my /HobbyDrama posts.
Second, this is the kind of year that needs a disclaimer: Back then I got caught in the drama and I had (and still have) some strong opinions about what happened, so when you read this post remember that I may be biased even when I try not to.
(And of course, after proofreading the text I just had to make a typo in the title. /*facepalm)
The usual glossary for people who may not be so familiar with how things are in Eurovision:
So, let's get started. At the end of my last post, we left Spain in the mid-2010's flip-flopping between internal selections and national finals every couple years and finding that none of that seemed to work, mostly because the work after they chose the song was not really there.
Nevertheless, in 2017 Spain decided to do a national final again, starting with an online call that yielded 392 songs. To avoid another Chikilicuatre situation, the first thing they did was filter them through a panel of judges that picked 30 that would take part in an online selection process ran by a group of fans of the contest.
The most notable contestant in this stage was Brequette. Remember her? After narrowly missing the spot in 2014, she was one of Barei's backing singers in 2016 (I absolutely forgot about this until I was writing this post. Shame on me.) and now she came back with No Enemy, a song she and Barei had written together, and I have to admit it was really good and smartly playing all of her strengths. Since she also was carrying the torch of a painful and narrow defeat, the fans instantly wanted her to do well.
After ten days of voting, 55,000 votes had been received. For comparison, the online phase in 2008 had over 300,000 votes and in 2009 and 2010 it had over two million votes. Part of this was that this received very little promotion, and that (for reasons I'll explain later) the stakes here were pretty low.
The top ten songs in the internet vote qualified to the next round. Surprisingly, despite the fan love Brequette only qualified in third place. In this round, the entries were sifted again through a jury panel that chose three of them to qualify for the live final.
And here's where things start to get weird. The winner of the first round, Nito, not only didn't qualify but placed dead last with zero points from the juries. Brequette didn't qualify either (although she placed fourth). At the end the three qualifiers were Javián, Fruela and Vanesa Cortés, better known as LeKlein, a DJ that was most notable as the girlfriend of Patricia Yurena, the first ever Miss Universe contestant to come out as a lesbian (This is not relevant to the post, by the way. I just thought you might like the trivia). There was some criticism for dropping Brequette, but it came mostly from hardcore fans. The rest of the public felt that was part of the process, let's move on.
This all happened in the second half of December in 2016. In early January a live final was held with a winner decided exclusively by online vote. LeKlein got 63% of the vote, and therefore she won... a pass to the next round of the competition.
What, did you think things would be straighforward? First rule of this year: NO.
Turns out this whole trick and pony show was to pick a wildcard for the real final, which is why neither TVE nor the public cared that much about it, even if it got a lot of praise for doing a quite decent show with almost no budget. The real final would be a month later, where LeKlein would face five other artists internally chosen by TVE. Time to meet them:
First we had Mario Jefferson, a one-member boy band with a couple hits under his belt, coming with Spin my Head.
Then Paula Rojo, a country singer and probably the most notable contestant leading to the national final, with Lo que Nunca fue.
Then Maika Barberó, a rock singer and probably the least notable contestant leading to the national final, with Momento Crítico..
Usually I would link their performances in the national final, but turns out TVE didn't care enough to upload them. They were the bottom three of the final and most of them don't matter that much for this post. As long as you remember who Mario is you're fine.
Then Mirela, who was not at all a stranger to trying for Eurovision. In 2004 she had tried to participate in Junior Eurovision placing second to María Isabel who won the whole thing that year.. She tried to represent Spain in Eurovision in 2007 with La Reina de La Noche, placing second, in 2008 with Stronger, not reaching the final, and in 2009 with Nada es Comparable a Ti, placing fourth. This year she was trying with Contigo, a very tropical Spain-by-numbers song.
Then, Manel Navarro, a relative newcomer to the musical scene that had released his first singles the previous year and entered Do It For Your Lover, which was kinda... reggae influenced surfer pop, dare I say? He had released it earlier that year and it was already bubbling in the charts.
And finally, LeKlein.
You may notice Mario and Manel were singing partly in English and LeKlein had zero Spanish in her song. Maybe RAE protested like they did in previous years, I'm not sure. To be frank, with all that happened this year no one paid attention if they said anything. I recall that the radio version of Manel's song was entirely in English but he added some Spanish for the national final, though.
Mirela and Manel quickly positioned themselves as the frontrunners. Maybe Paula could have a chance to beat them because of her fame but her song was perceived to be too weak, and anything that wasn't either of them going to Eurovision would have been a big upset.
Mirela's supporters nicknamed themselves (ourselves, I was there) #TeamSenosAlAire, which means #TeamBoobsOutInTheAir. (It was because of the intentionally misheard lyrics at the start of Contigo, "Sueños al Aire/Dreams Out in The Air"). Manel's supporters, in an amazing display of creativity, nicknamed themselves #TeamManel.
There was a bit of debate before the final. Manel's fans thought Mirela's song was too stereotypical, going for Spanish clichés, and that she was maybe a bit too desperate to go to Eurovision. Mirela's fans thought Manel's song was too bland and relying on foreign clichés, and that he didn't have that much of a personality. But still, even with the tension and rivalry, the fandom was civil.
The final was planned for February 12th, and it was only a day and a half before that TVE published the rules and the juries and all hell broke loose:
Also, there were a couple changes with the rules:
Remember, this was published on a Friday, for the final that would take place in Sunday.
Most of the fans instantly called this sus. Even looking at this with the best spirits it seemed that TVE was tilting things heavily in favor of Manel, by putting a jury that was guaranteed to push him to the top and two more juries with close ties to TVE that could push its narrative, and giving the juries the final say just in case.
The conspiracy theory was that, since Manel had recently signed with Sony Music, they were interested in raising his profile and had pulled some strings to make sure he would go to Eurovision and TVE was playing along with it. I have to admit it seems more plausible than other years, although it's never been confirmed.
Manel's fans countered that juries were allowed to have their opinions about the songs and that Xavi had never openly stated that Manel was his favorite, he had only said that he liked the song, and that if anything, TVE was to blame for putting him in the jury.
Here you can see a tweet of Xavi one month before the final, in a photo with Manel, saying "It's beautiful to be part of the birth of a star. Long live talent and live music. Enjoying you from the start, Manel. You can see in the replies people right after the announcement that he was a jury, asking him "Who will get your top marks tomorrow? I still can't figure it out", asking him if he and Manel were fucking, and calling him disgusting and a sellout.
Manel's competitors complained too. Several did it anonymously, according to a leak in the press, but at least Mario Jefferson posted a tweet indirectly calling it out. TVE's response was that they had already been informed of the rules and had accepted them. (Although they found out about the juries along with everyone else)
And because one drama was not enough, the day before the final all the artists complained that the TV setup was riddled with technical problems, the lighting was bad and the sound was barely acceptable, and that the stage had been so poorly planned that they wouldn't be able to show well at the same time for the cameras and the juries.
And because two dramas were not enough, the very same day the winner of 2009, Alexander Rybak, revealed that he had received a last-minute invitation to appear as a guest in the final, with around 30 hours to travel to Spain and get ready. He obviously said thanks but no thanks, and other fans unearthed tweets of TVE trying to contact other artists, presumably with the same purpose. TVE was quite ridiculed for this, particularly because the head of delegation had stated multiple times that they had began working towards 2017 the day after the 2016 contest ended.
By the way, one thing that fans do every years is obsessively check the odds in the bets to win Eurovision and try to guess how well or bad the year will go by how the odds behave. This year, right before the national final, Spain was last. That is, no one believed that any of the songs in the national final had an actual chance at Eurovision.
Remember, all of this happened in pretty much a day and a half. (I missed most of that because I was on vacation with my family and only turned it up to watch the final and I still noticed how bad it was and how biased the juries were)
But enough setup and backstory. Let's dive into the drama.
The final was BAD. TVE only bothered to upload the performances of Manel, Mirela and Leklein but the audio was very rough and the stage looked cheap, bare, and with a nostalgic vibe reminiscent of Eurovision 1993. I wish they had kept Mario's performance because he was the only one that managed to make the stage look good...ish.
In the prior two days, when discussing Xavi's support for Manel, the fans of Manel had said that he would play fair, maybe even refrain from giving Manel top marks because it could be too blatant.
First rule of this year: NO.
He basically offered Manel a record deal in the middle of the final, gave him his highest mark, and he gave his lowest mark to Mirela. The second jury, Virginia, also put Manel in the top and Mirela in the bottom, and the third jury, Javier Cárdenas, gave his top mark to Mirela and his second top mark to Manel. Overall, Manel ranked first with the juries with 34 points, while Mirela was joint third with 22 points.
Then it came the televote. Look how happy Manel and Mirela were during the voting. Mirela won with 36 points and Manel was third with 24, so they tied for first place at 58 points and it came down to a show of hands by the juries, with Xavi and Virginia voting for Manel and Javier for Mirela, which meant Manel won... a pass to the next round of competition.
No, I'm just kidding. This was the real thing. Manel won the right to represent Spain at Eurovision.
A large part of the public began whistling, booing and shouting accusations of fraud, to which Manel responded with a bras d'honeur.. I don't know how familiar you are with this gesture, but it's only slightly more polite than flipping them off. The last time something like that happened in a Spanish national final was with John Cobra back in 2010, and Cobra was... well, Cobra.
This was probably the most chaotic and worst managed national final in Spain. With Cobra they were just taking out a troll but the public, hosts, juries and contestants were all on the same page. Here the public was split in two sides going at each other's throat while one of them was also raging against the juries and the winner.
Also, a man in the public tweeted that Xavi had been assaulted when he was trying to leave the hall.
Anyway, plot developments on the next two days:
There was a press conference to formally present Manel and no one from TVE, not even the Head of Entertainment Toñi Prieto, who had been in charge of organizing and overseeing the national final, went there. They just left Manel to deal with that alone.
In the press conference Manel apologized for his gesture, saying that he had acted on the heat of the moment.
It was revealed that Prieto's daughter worked at Sony and was part of Manel's promotion team.
A Twiter hashtag asking for Prieto to quit or be fired from her position became the #1 trending topic in Spain. At some moments there were three different hashtags against her in the top trends.
Mirela's grandpa died. (I am NOT making this up)
Manel's defenders blamed the reaction of the public saying that it was full of eurofans and fans of Mirela that were sore losers because their favorite had lost. (Eurofans is basically a stereotype of gay dudes who live for Eurovision and will fall head over heels over the first diva they find. Think me, then add a lot of glitter.)
Xavi, who was getting most of the blame for the results, penned an open letter defending his decisions, reiterating that the contestants had been informed of the rules and had accepted them, explaining that he had promoted Manel before even knowing that one would be in the final and the other would be a jury, that people should have protested when they knew the rules (Reminder: they had basically a day and a nalf *on a weekend** to do so and when the artists protested they were shut down*), challenging everyone who accused him of rigging the voting to come forward with proof and saying that he wanted nothing to do with Eurovision again.
He confirmed that a member of the public had assaulted him and he had to resort to the hall security to make it out safely. His co-judge Virginia also confirmed it.
Some fans replied with a similar challenge: If (as he said) the assault had been filmed, he should press charges. As far as I know he never did it. There was a rumor that the aggressor had been one of the songwriters for LeKlein but he denied it.
People scoured Xavi's twitter looking for every single interaction with Manel and his team to help the narrative (including a dinner with Manel several weeks before the final and getting Christmas gifts from Manel's manager). They also found a video recorded from the public in the national final showing someone that seemed to be Xavi celebrating Manel's win. At the end it was never confirmed if it was indeed Xavi, but the general consensus was that it was someone else.
A journalist that had been sitting backstage released a video with is own perspective saying that things had been even more tense than it had shown on TV and that the conflict hadn't just been that the public had been filled with eurofans or supporters of Mirela. There were supporters for all the artists and all of them had split along the vote with a majority siding with Mirela. While he didn't confirm the assault to Xavi, he described a scenario in which it was very credible. And this will sound lame after all that, but he also noted that they had been given sparklers to light during the performances, but no means to light them, just to put an extra nail in the coffin of the organizers.
Several petitions to disqualify Manel were launched, and most of them were closed the same day when their organizers received threats from other fans.
Let's introduce, because why not, yet ANOTHER player. Nicky Triphook was a singer that took part in the online phase of the competition with Daddy's Little Girl and had failed to advance past the second jury round, which somehow left him with an axe to grind towards TVE. He had already criticized Xavi's presence in the juries (you know, the kind of thing Xavi said nothing had done) and called him shameful, he had accused Manel's girlfriend of shouting insults to others in the final, and when Xavi asked for proof of the rigging, he published a purported screenshot of a conversation where, allegedly, one month before the national final someone told him that it was already decided that Manel would go to Eurovision. He didn't give any other information, he didn't speak up before, and it was the kind of thing that was pretty easy to fake, but still a lot of people took the accusations and ran with them. Some took it even further, saying that all the artists knew it but they had still done it for the exposure. At least Mario Jefferson took issue with that..
And finally, a member of the Spanish Parliament put up a motion of inquiry requesting the heads of TVE to clarify what had happened to generate that level of controversy, how had they allowed it to happen, and whether they would keep Manel as a representative. A week later Toñi Prieto was formally cited to testify before congress.
At the end this came down to a scapegoat. TVE published a communication defending their decision, saying that they had not broken any of the rules of Eurovision, and also (say it with me) that the artists had been informed of the rules two days before the final and had protested but been ignored accepted them. And Federico Llano, the Head of Delegation (that is, the one in charge of everything Eurovision-related in Spain, responding directly to Toñi Prieto) resigned after fourteen years in that position. That was enough to satisfy Congress.
Overall, even if there had been no conflicts of interest, this came up as horribly mishandling the optics. It would have been much better to accept this looked bad, say they would take measures so it wouldn't happen again, and then send Manel anyway.
There was a small part of the fans that felt the entire process of the national final had been so rotten that it was unsalvageable and it would be better to cancel the whole thing and send LeKlein (who at least had won the online phase without that kind of controversy), but again, nothing came out of it.
In a now-deleted interview, LeKlein also levelled her own accusations of vote rigging, which were denied by Manel.
During the months leading to Eurovision, Manel had to endure a level of bullying and hate that no other Spanish contestant had ever received. Threats, comments in all his social media posts calling him a thief and asking him to quit, wishes for him to place last, fans asking in social media not to vote for him, accusations of sexism because the official video for the song had several shots of a girl's ass... you name it, it happened. And to be fair to him, save for that first outburst in the night of the final, he handled it rather well.
Probably the dumbest controversy in that time was that the music video had ben shot in a cloudy day. Yup. People took issue with that. Because it was supposed to showcase the best side of Spain and they were surfing and that means SUN. And here again, Nicky Triphook came in with the hot take that the video hadn't been shot in Spain, but in the Canary Islands. Which are part of Spain. And Spaniards are very touchy about the unity of their country, for political reasons that we won't talk about, so the fans jumped to his throat until he clarified that he meant that the WEATHER in the Canary Islands was not the same as in mainland Spain. Crisis averted. 👍
The divisions of the fandom continued during all this time. In one side people attacking the results and convinced that it all had been rigged, and in the other people saying it had all been fair and Mirela's fans were sore losers that had to learn to let go, and they also blamed Mirela for not asking her fans to stop. There were also some guys who thought Mirela was so bad that they were okay with rigging things if that meant she didn't go to Eurovision (If you ask if those were amongst the ones who claimed foul and were all for fair play because of the allegations of playback in Junior Eurovision, the answer is OF COURSE).
This also sparkled a debate about the general criteria Spain uses to choose their artists. There were comments that Spain had wanted to internally select Manel but they didn't want to face criticism because he didn't have much trajectory, so a final tilted in his favor could be seen as an undercover internal selection, and there was a heated debate about how the Spanish public sometimes has too high standards for the kind of artists they want, which in turn makes credible artists not want to do anything with Eurovision and that leaves spain scraping the bottom of the barrel.
Manel went to several of the pre-contest parties (There are usually six: Amsterdam, London, Madrid, Tel Aviv, Riga and Moscow, but Riga and Moscow are smaller and usually have mostly or only artists from Eastern Europe), he striked a very nice friendship with Nathan Trent from Austria and Imri Ziv from Israel (If you like shirtless men as much as I do, by all means go to Imri's Instagram. You're welcome), and overall he arrived to Eurovision... not in the best spirits, but in some kind of spirits at least. He was working with Hans Pannecoucke, a stage designer famous for the staging of the runner up in 2014, which is one of THE mythical stagings in Eurovision, and although no one expected him to do something that good, people were expecting a reasonable quality level.
A couple days before the final TVE finally released the voting data of the national final, showing that Mirela got more than twice the votes of Manel, because somehow THAT was the perfect moment to do that.
For financial reasons, Spain automatically qualifies to the final, so Manel didn't have to deal with semifinals.
In the final, the performance was... there. Well, I think it was a performance.. The staging wasn't bad but it wasn't extraordinary either, the backing musicians were standing in front of their instruments and you could hear them in their microphones, the lights were on and sometimes they even moved and changed colors, the backing track was playing and the cameras were rolling. In summary, there were things happening on the staje, but not interesting things. Neither Pannecoucke not Manel delivered. It was a very forgettable performance, which probably the worst thing you can do in Eurovision. Being really bad or wacky at least can make people remember you.
Manel sounded a bit nervous but in general acceptable, until he didn't. Right before the last chorus, he had one of the worst voice cracks ever in the history of the contest which was probably the most memorable moment of his entire performance.
Then it came the moment of the votes. Since 2016 a new voting system was in place, in which juries and televote give their votes separately and the final score is the sum of both votes. Manel placed last with the juries with no points, and people were preparing for another zero score in the televote.
Now, if you're going to place last in Eurovision, particularly with such a controversial entry as Manel and in a country that has a hate/love relationship with the contest heavily tilted towards hate, it's better to place last HARD. Getting also a zero score from the televote would have meant that from 82 voting bodies that could have voted for Manel (41 other countries in the contest, with a jury and a televote each) he had managed to get none of them to vote for him. It would have been quite a feat.
First rule of this year: NO.
There was a country that got a zero in the televote, but it wasn't Spain. It was Austria, represented by Manel's buddy Nathan Trent. (Which was a fucking robbery, by the way.) Manel got five points all from Portugal, which still kept him in last place but without even the bragging rights of a complete zero.
Interviewed right after the contest, he said there was nothing he would self-critique, and the Spanish head of delegation also stated that they saw no need to change anything for the following years.
Even the public that had been indiferent towards Manel took a stand ridiculing him. The voice crack got a remix and multiple parody videos and social media was filled with messages mocking him.
Suddenly, that song and result became something absolutely no one wanted to touch. The yearly talk-show that airs right after Eurovision in Spanish TV to discuss the show and the results was cancelled without even an announcement. This is how much everyone wanted NOT to talk about it.
Manel himself said tried to distance himself from his own participation, saying that he had written the song when he was 15 and had tried to submit other song instead, implied that he had been forced to go with that one, and said that the whole surfer image he had since the national final had been mostly a character created for TV.
Everyone decided to scapegoat the result on the voice crack (although the juries had voted with the rehearsal of the night before without a voice crack, and still had decided that Manel deserved zero points) and more generally on Manel's performance and lack of experience.
TVE basically left him alone, publishing an editorial titled Spain places last after Manel's voice crack.
The day after the final Xavi tweeted that the performance and result were "unforgivable" and when he was reminded that he had voted for Manel he tried to discharge responsibility on all three judges plus the public vote of the national final, and a couple days later he stated that supporting Manel had been a mistake and the song was not right for Eurovision.
(At least Mario Jefferson came forward to defend Manel. That's something, I guess.)
In the following weeks there was another Congress inquiry that had the same results as the first one (spoiler: NOTHING), and multiple calls for the dimission of the heads of TVE that achieved also nothing.
And the reaction for a large part of the fandom could be sumed up in a massive "TOLD YOU SO". (I know I did. I read my old posts about this.)
There was a lot of recrimination amongst fans, still divided between blaming Manel, blaming the lack of support towards Manel, saying that Mirela would have been better, saying that it didn't matter because she was bad... the only thing all the fans agreed was saying that TVE sucked.
Besides blaming Manel, lots of people also blamed Mirela. If only she had stopped her fans from attacking Manel and making him so unsure of himself his voice had cracked... if only the controversy hadn't made this a PR disaster for TVE and Spain... nevermind that hours before the final she had tweeted in support for Manel, this was more likely a provocation to throw him off balance and a PR move to make herself look good.
A couple months later, asked about the reports that TVE had blacklisted Mirela from all their shows, Manel commented that it wasn't her fault, but it was a natural consequence of the actions of her supporters.
As something only tangentially related, while I was browsing old forum posts to unearth all this drama (and there was A LOT, I literally skimmed around 300 pages between the national final and the aftermath, plus Nicky Triphook's entire twitter timeline), I found this sketch that is probably one of the funniest eurovision-related things Spain has ever done. If you don't recognize the girls there it has Soraya, Ruth, Edurne, Rosa, Massiel, and at the end Mirela trying to get in. If you speak any Spanish, give it a try.
I have to confess, writing this was a cathartic experience for me. (This paragraph is mostly my personal perspective, if you allow me) As I said at the beginning, I got caught in the drama and still disliked Manel, but after writing this I mostly feel sorry for him. Seems he was offered a sand castle and then got discarded once he outlived his usefulness to Sony and TVE. Regarding the blame, I would say if you follow the threads you always end up at TVE. Yes, all the harassment Manel had to endure took a toll on him, but there was a whole machinery behind that could have prevented it or tried to stop it and did nothing. Yes, at 20 and with little experience, Manel was one of the greenest contestants Spain had ever sent, but TVE could and should have covered up for his lack of experience. The same year Belgium sent a seventeen year-old reject from The Voice that reached top 4 and in 2010 Germany won with a nineteen year-old with basically zero experience, because their TVs put the kind of work that TVE would never put in.
I still dislike Xavi, though.
So, to wrap things up, where are they now?
So far, TVE has complied with their promise of making no significant changes and the results have followed. 2020 was the beginning of a change but we never got to see it in action because the contest was cancelled.
Nearly all the participants in the national final have kept on with music careers, except for Maika that became a youtuber with very extreme opinions about Eurovision that basically no one agrees with.
Brequette still hasn't gone to Eurovision.
Xavi has continued working in radio and was a judge in later editions of the X Factor.
Mirela moved on to do musical theater, and said that this was a very painful experience for her and she probably won't be willing to go through that again but doesn't completely rule it out.
Manel, surprisingly after all he went through and how damaged his image was after Eurovision, still has a music career. He has released several singles per year and while none of them has been a hit, he still has more a career than, say, Barei. Which is not much but it's something. He also opened up about how bad things were during and after Eurovision.
Oh, and Nicky Triphook had a change of heart and now he loves Xavi and thinks he's an amazing person.
So, that's it for this post. Stay tuned for the next couple years, or how letting shippers pick your entry based on their ships is probably not a good idea.
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TheOakDwarf's best of 2020.

Another year, another best of post. I seem to stray further and further away from power metal, going from 400 PM albums in 2018 to only like 50 this year and in line with that I'll be including a list of the best music outside of PM at the bottom.
The List will therefore be divided into 3 parts:
Feel free to skip any of the parts that don't interest you.
As per usual, massive thanks to JacksonWarrior for the weekly release, the folks over at the Powermetal discord for loads of recommendations and anyone else who was like "hey you might like this".
SO... here's the best that 2020 had to offer, starting strong with the most relevant category.

BEST METAL ALBUMS OF 2020

Compared to 2019, 2020 didn't have that many incredible power metal albums, so for this year I'm combining all metal genres into one list and also including the EP's. Keep in mind, a vast majority of the metal I listen to is Power Metal, with the occasional Prog Metal, Folk Metal and Death (or more likely Melo-Death) Metal. So this list is more like "BEST POWER METAL AND POWER METAL ADJACENT ALBUMS OF 2020". Also, I only included albums I truly loved and would recommend and decided to leave out the "kinda ok" stuff. But anyway, let's dive in:

8. Helion Prime - Question Everything - Power

A very very welcome return to form for Helion Prime. I quite liked their debut album and "Life finds a way" is still their best song ever and the only one I listen to frequently. Thematically, the theme shifted from sci-fi to just sci, as all the songs were references to famous scientists and while I generally don't care all that much about lyrical themes, this one seemed to fit the songs quite nicely. Musically, this album is closer to their first one and that's a good thing. I didn't find that any the songs stood out, but the album as a whole worked well. The only exception to this is the title song "Question Everything" featuring all 3 of the vocalists across their 3 albums. A powerful and catchy chorus, lovely harmonies, quality guitar work.. great song. I wasn't particulary looking forward to this album, but am now once again excited for their next release.
Best song: Question Everything

7. Alestorm - Curse of the crystal coconut - Pirate?? Kinda powefolk

Probably the biggest name on the list, everyone's favorite pirate band. It's well known that Alestorm have gone full meme at this point and I love every second of it. You have the sing along pop choruses, epic tales and everything in between. Albums like these truly make you wish we could go to concerts, as singing along to these songs with thousands of people seems like the only true way of consuming them. Not much else to say, if you know Alestorm, this is more of what they do best, if not, this is an ok place to start, just don't take it too seriously.
Best song: Treasure Chest Party Quest

6. Unlucky Morpheus - Unfinished - Power

I think at this point I'm more or less ready to say that Unlucky Morpheus are the best active JPM band. The title might be unfinished, but the album is anything but. This album is everything you think of when you think of Japanese Power Metal with the sort of "Attack on titan" intro grandiose aesthetic. Lovely string sections, powerful clean vocals, fitting harsh vocals, all topped off with classic power metal guitars. Not quite as good as their 2018 album, but still a great album.
Best song: Carry on singing to the sky and Unending Sorceress

5. Unleash The Archers - Abyss - Power

The other truly big name on the list, coming in at number 5 are North Americas darlings and the biggest power metal act on this side of the atlantic. Personally, I don't consider anything they did before Apex, their 2017 release, worth mentioning, but since then something really kicked them into gear and they've been putting out fantastic music. Abyss is both lyrically and musically a great successor to Apex, but it does keep things fresh. The archers continue to explore their style musically, with songs like "Legacy" very very heavily resembling Devin Townsend's Kingdom and also falling into the trend of leaning more and more on keys, but it all sounds great. My only issue with the album and the reason why it isn't higher up on the list is that it's not consistently great. I have listened to the songs from "Legacy" to "The Wind That Shapes The Land" around 40 times and the rest of the album maybe 4 times. Not that the rest of the album is bad, but if this was a 5 song EP it'd likely be an aoty contender.
Still, I'm super excited for their next album.
Best song: Soulbound and The Wind That Shapes The Land

4. Aether Realm - Redneck Vikings From Hell - PoweMelodeath/Folk

The first truly massive surprise for me comes in the form of Aether Realm. I was aware of them prior to this album, but other than a couple of songs, they never really impressed me. Well, that all changed with this album. They took a path similar to Grailknights where they went from melodeath to more power metal and it worked really well for them. You can think of their sounds as a mix of Alestorm, Aephenemer and some arena metal elements. All in all, great stuff. The album is also quite diverse, ranging from full meme arena stuff in the title track to "power ballads" in "Guardian" and full on melodeath/power stuff in "She's Back". You would be forgiven for skipping the last 3 songs as the album does kind of fall off.
Best song: She's Back and Redneck Vikings From Hell

3. Seven Spires - Emerald Seas - PoweSymphonic

The bronze medal for 2020 goes to Seven Spires. I was not aware of this band before they released this album and that's alright, as this is much better than their debut. A very standard powesymphonic sound that we've not seen around much anymore, done to absolute perfection. Adrienne Cowan is now probably my favorite female vocalist in the genre, hearing her sing over some beautiful orchestration, swapping between beautiful cleans and brutal harshes, absolutely sold this album for me. Much like Aether Realm and Unleash the Archers, not all the song on this are great, especially the songs where only harsh vocals are featured (such as "Drowner of Worlds") simply just don't do it for me. But, when they hit the mark, they really hit it. The style that really sounds like it would work great in a power metal opera has a bright future with Seven Spires.
Also, if Adrienne is to be believed, the writing for the next album is finished, so we might have another one of these quite soon. Fingers crossed.
Best song: Succumb and Bury You

2. Fellowship - Fellowship - Power

AAAAA I love it when a debut album makes it to a best of list. And boy did this one deserve it. There is of course a very obvious comparison to make if you've never heard of Fellowship. It's basically Twilight Force, but instead of all the sparkly disney stuff you get Power metal and guitars. It's all incredible, Glint gives me chills everything the chorus line "STORM THROUGH THE GATES TO THE STRENGTH THAT I HOLD INSIDE" comes on. They might be hitting a lot of the cliches with their songs and they might dress up like hobbits, but I will be here to listen to whatever they wanna record next. The future of power metal in the making here folks.
Also, they did a power metal cover of "Can you feel the love tonight" so how can you not love these guys?
Best song: Glint

1. Boisson Divine - La Halha - Folk/Power

And there it is, the best metal album of 2020. The biggest surprise of them all. Boisson Divine are a french band that play mostly some form of folk metal in Gascon, so you'd be forgiven for not knowing them. But fear not, dear reader, for you are in the dark no more.
La Halha sets itself apart from the rest of the albums on this list by not having any bad songs. All of the songs on this album are amazing. Whenever I got the chance to, I would listen to this album in its entirety. That's not to say that songs aren't unique. There are definitely highlights to the album, but when you're not listening to the best stuff, you're still listening to greatness. The songs feature all sorts of folk instruments like bagpipes, flutes and the hurdy-gurdy with always accompanying guitars and excellent vocals. I don't understand what they're singing about and yet I always wanna join in on a chorus. I listened to this album every day on my daily run and did not get bored of it after months.
After this one, I went to check out the rest of their discography and discovered 3 more great albums, oh the joy. La Halha is their best yet, but all of them are worth checking out.
Best song: Libertat (but honestly all of them are bangers)

BEST ALBUMS OUTSIDE OF POWER METAL 2019

Much like last year, Power Metal and metal in general were not the only genres I spent time listening to. Last year the non-metal stuff was better than the metal stuff, with Moron Police - Under the Sea still being my most listened to album of 2020, whereas this year the sections were more even, but nonetheless there were loads of very nice albums this year as well. Like the metal section, I only included albums I truly loved and would recommend. The genres are included in the title, so if you enjoy the overall genre, give the album a listen.

9. The Night Flight Orchestra - Aeromantic - Rock(80's/90's worship)

Another year, another Night Flight Orchestra album. This one makes it 3 in the last 4 years. It's very much more of the same, hype, feel-good old school rock that fits in very well with the current trends in music. I would actually say that this is probably their weakest album, but it's still pretty nice. Songs like Divinlys and Aeromantic are up there with some of their best, but a good chunk of the album kinda fits more of a "background in a movie" vibe.
But their best work this year came in the form of 2 songs that weren't on this album. A Christmas special "Paper Moon" and an instrumental that was a teaser for the album called "Cabin Pressure Drops". The instrumental kinda feels like something Dire Straits would write (something along the lines of "Theme of the Local Hero") and the Christmas special is just a classic NFO song with a festive twist.
Best songs: Divinlys and Paper Moon

8. Taylor Swift - Folklore and Evermore - Folk/Pop/Indie

You might think you've left powermetal, but I actually unironically quite liked these albums. Taylor Swift has been slowly moving from the straight pop she did 5 or so years ago to the more indie/folk sound. On her 2019 album there were a couple of these songs, but she really embraced it in her 2 2020 albums. Thematically, it's still very much Taylor Swift with the "girl is angry at boy" and "You made me into angry woman" stuff, but here and there the lyrics do get quite interesting when she talks about more than just bad relationships, a great example being "the last great american dynasty". I'm not a fan of the explicit lyrics on a couple of the songs, but they do add something to the authenticity of the feelings she's singing about and coincidentally they are a part of most of the best songs.
Musically, Taylor's beautiful vocals are complimented by sometimes relatively simple guitar picking or a piano riff. The intro on songs like "betty" sound like something straight from a Bob Dylan album and if she does more of this and less of the Lana Del Rey sounding stuff, I will gladly listen to her next couple of albums.
Best songs: Betty and exile

7. King Gizzard & the Wizard Lizard - Progressive/Psychedelic rock

King Gizzard & The Wizard Lizard seemingly never run out of creative juice, so their 16th album delivers once more and lands on this list. The standard microtonal, odd time signatures boasting sound that we've come to expect from King Gizzard once more shows up here. There's a riff that shows up in a majority of the songs that's used as a motif, but the band makes sure that it's always used in a new way so the album never feels stale. The songs that don't feature it (Ontology, Intrasport and The Hungry Wolf of Fate) stand out even more and almost feel out of place on the album and I didn't really like them that much (except for Ontology, Ontology is great).
I would love for them to go back to the more proggy Jazz inspired style from "Sketches of Brunswick East" and "Quarters!" or the more folky "Paper Mache Dream Baloon", but I'm not complaining about the current style either.
Best song: Honey

6. Fleet Foxes - Shore - Indie folk

Fleet foxes return after a 3 year pause and 9 years after their timeless masterpiece "Helplessness Blues" that in my mind forever defined the Indie folk genre. This is somewhat of a step back from the more experimental 2017 album and its atmosphere and feeling are best described by the title, it's like being on a shore in a very relaxed state of mind. Here and there you'll find more straight forward "aggressive" songs like "A Long Way Past the Past" and towards the end you'll find some prog-ish musical add-ons (see best songs), but overall this is still very much the Fleet Foxes we know and love.
Best songs: Can I believe you and Quiet AiGioia

5. Carly Rae Jepsen - Dedicated Side B - Pop

Just like Carly did with Emotion back in 2015, she released a Side B with Dedicated this year. And much like Emotion Side B, a vast majority of the stuff that's on Dedicated Side B could very easily be on the "main" album. There really isn't much to say about this album musically, as it really is just an extension of last year's masterpiece. A couple of the songs sound a bit weird, like Fake Mona Lisa, but it's still an overall enjoyable experience.
Also, Carly blessed us with a Christmas single and it's GREAT. Not the most uplifting of lyrics, but that sure didn't stop me from listening to it over and over again. And while I'm at it, do yourself a favor and listen to her 2012 Christmas song Mittens, one of my personal favorites.
Best songs: Felt this Way and Comeback

4.Karfagen - Birds of Passage and Principles and Theory of Spektra - Symphonic Prog Rock

Karfagen back in the top of the year list with 2 wonderful releases. This really is a magical project that keeps putting out some of the chill, fantastical musical adventures. Largely instrumental pieces, the style shifts from atmospheric indie to kinda jazzy stuff and then over to very prog sections. You need to look no further than the best songs to see the variety in their music and the appeal it has. It also helps that they're 22 and 12 minutes long respectively.
Best songs: Birds of Passage(part 1) and Phantasmagoria

3. Hump Back - 人間なのさ - J-Pop/J-Rock

Coming in at number 3 is another debut album, this time from the Japanese band Hump Back. I do not speak or read Japanese, so some lovely people from the Power Metal discord (which I would highly recommend you joining) linked this to me and it immediately clicked with me. It's got great energy throughout the entire album, very catchy tunes, classic rock solos, moments of tension, great buildups etc. I don't know what the lyrics are about or what's up with the band, but more of the same would be great.
Best songs: 拝啓、少年よ and 僕らは今日も車の中

2. The Killers - Imploding the Mirage - Rock

The Killers are still putting out music. WHAT? Yeah, 14 years after their debut album "Hot Fuss" with "Mr. Brightside" and 12 years after "Human" was played on every mainstream radio, The Killers are finally back to making good music. Their 2012, 2016 and 2017 albums were really really average, largely forgettable and not worth mentioning in my opinion. But that all changed in 2020. First the single "Caution" was released and had it not been for Lindsey Buckingham being featured, I probably would not have even checked it out. But boy am I glad I did. The lyrics tell a story of a girl from Las Vegas with a bad past but the whole song is an anthem full of hope and energy and it got me singing every time it was on.
The next single was a song I didn't really enjoy, "Fire and Bone", but the album came around soon enough so that the hype from Caution was still very much present.
The rest of the album is filled with high energy, feel-good rock, a sort of less raw version of their 2006 and 2008 albums, but the big big highlight comes in right at the end. The title track, the closer is an absolute certified banger. A top 3 all time Killers tune right here. Not really different in style from the rest of the album, but the little riffs, the background vocals, the build up before and at the end of the chorus, the way the bridge difuses the prebuilt tension... it's glorious.
Best songs: Caution and Imploding the Mirage

1. Phoebe Bridgers - Punisher - Indie rock

And the award for the best non-metal album of the year goes to the incredibly talented singer-songwriter Phoebe Bridgers with her sophomore album Punisher. I only recently found out about her, but her 2018 album made me consider her as one of the most promising indie musicians and boy did she deliver in 2020. Punisher takes more of a reserved approach on the instrumentals, with almost none of the obvious clean guitar picking that was prominent on the debut. They're instead replaced by either more subdued guitars or in most cases an underlying synth base. This isn't really either better or worse, it's just a different approach and in some cases it gives Phoebe's vocals a chance to really shine.
Honestly, Kyoto is probably her best ever song. The contract between her melancholic vocals and the grandiose orchestral instrumental is absolutely beautiful, but the fact that I never really skipped a song when listening through the album (except for the title track sometimes) really speaks to the quality.
She also did a cool little christmas EP/single called "If we make it through December", extremely chill (but predictably not cheerful).
Best songs: Kyoto and Graceland too

OTHER INDIVIDUALLY IMPRESSIVE STUFF in 2020

I generally wouldn't do this part, but this year was a bit special and a lot of artists came out with special one-off singles from lockdown and there were a bunch of interesting songs that didn't make it on any albums and a lot of good Christmas singles came out so I decided to dedicate this part to the artists that released some really creative stuff, but couldn't be included elsewhere.

6. Billie Eilish

I'm not gonna waste too much time here, as I'm sure everybody hears too much about Billie Eilish anyway. In 2020 she definitely spread out and explored her style a bit more. The James Bond theme song "No Time to Die" was no doubt stylistically heavily directed by Hans Zimmer and the rest of the soundtrack crew, while the "my future" single was a step back from some of her more complex stuff and into a relaxed tune. "Therefore I Am" was the last single and sounds a lot like the stuff on her last album - great. Hopefully the next album is coming soon.

5. Twenty One Pilots

Another very popular name on the list, Twenty One Pilots released 2 singles in 2020 both highly enjoyable. "Level Of Concern" was a song during lockdown about lockdown, a sort of funky pop-rock super groovy jam. Fun fact, the live version of this song is actually better than the studio version, as the keys are just more prominent and funkier.
The second one was unlike anything they'd ever released, the Christmas single "Christmas Saves the Year". Musically it's a pop-like tune with a very prominent leading bass line and simple song structure and lyrically it compliments "Level Of Concern" quite nicely with its message of "Things are bad right now, but we wanna make it back home and have a good Christmas to make up for the year we've had". Festive, cheerful, positive.

4. Sabadu

THESE GUYS ARE FROM POLAND AND THEY PLAY POLISH TANKMETAL. THEIR TANK IS MUCH BETTER THAN YOUR TANK, OK?
This ridiculous group of musicians made some of the finest arena metal, even if it started as a joke. "A Might Polish Tank" had Sabaton fans wonder why a band that is making fun of Sabaton sounds better than Sabaton and "A Very Polish Christmas" surely assured them a place at the next Sabaton Open Air. They sang about Polish Santa kicking Hitler's ass in 1942 while reminding us all to keep recycling, what's not to love?

3. Majestica - A Christmas Carol - Power Metal

This could probably be included on one of the lists above, but since I kinda wanted my Christmas specials grouped, I put it here instead. I was only recently made aware of this album and the fact that it has the most confusing song names in the history of all music kinda put me off it for a while, but honestly it's a great album. It's straight forward power metal but with Christmas riffs and jingles and all the other festive cheer you might expect. I think this is meant to be a concept album with a full story being told, but I have not had enough time with the album to decipher it yet. Even without that, it makes for a great listen and will return to my playlists next December to compliment Trans Siberian Orchestra and Theocracy.

2. Major Parkinson

I'll assume most people reading have never heard of Major Parkinson. The description on their bandcamp reads "Major Parkinson is a particle collider of huge, cinematic melodies, catchy pop hooks, impossible rhythms and psychedelic lyrics". Pretty clear, right?
Anyway, I consider them to be in my personal top 3 bands of all time. Sadly, we didn't get a new album this year but we still got 2 releases. The first was a cover of one of their best ever songs, "Solitary Home". The cover was performed by Los Alamitos Sound FX, the most successful show choir in the United States in cooperation with members of the band. I am not one to watch or listen to show choirs regularly, but this was the ideal cover, a new perspective on the song that kept the original weirdness and charm.
The other song, that actually came earlier in the year, was an original, potentially from their next album - "Jonah". The song feels like a step back from their 2017 album "Blackbox", a unique progression through an electronic intro into an almost Arcade Fire-esque atmosphere and on to a choir backed powerful anthemic ending, only to go circle back to a rock solo and end with once again the electronic feel from the start. It really showcases a lot of what Major Parkinson can do and why they're one of the most unique bands out there.
Just a quick note. Major Parksinon share a couple band members with Moron Police, another one of my favorite bands of all time. They're also the guys who recorded the best album of 2019 and released an extra single this year, which was alright.

1. Daði Freyr

2020 made sure we couldn't have a lot of the events we normally would. One of those is Eurovision. And that's a damn shame, cause if Eurovision did happen, Iceland would have 100% won it with their incredible Daði Freyr. Daði Freyr is an extremely talented musician who won the icelandic national selection with his 6 piece band performing the super funky, nerdy and catchy tune "Think About Things". The song talks about him being excited about talking to his daughter, as she was only months old when he wrote the song. This is the best song to come from Eurovision in years, maybe decades (in my horribly biased opinion).
But Daði Freyr isn't a one hit wonder. His youtube channel is filled with amazing covers and originals. You are more than welcome to check out all of them, I guarantee you won't regret it, but I wanna talk about his Christmas release - "Every Moment Is Christmas With You". This should become a christmas classic. It's not crazy in anything it does, but it's got the relaxing feeling that Christmas should bring, presenting the Christmas ideal in music form. A simple bass line, keys in the background playing simple riffs and the beautiful message of .. well.. "every moment is Christmas with you".
And that's it. The very best 2020 had to offer in the eyes of TheOakDwarf. If you liked the stuff I liked, you're welcome to check out my best of 2019 list, I still stand by most of my opinions from that list, and if not, feel free to tell me how wrong I am about music in the comments.
Happy New Year and stay powerful in 2021!
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Ranking my favourite entries from each year.

Y'all phones bout to crash!

65. 1957 - Netherlands - "Net als toen" by Corry Brokken (winner of 1957).
The winning entry of the very second Eurovision contest. The first couple years were pretty dull, to be honest, but this seems like a logical winner, even if I'm not sure what was the standard of quality at the time. The violin part is sort of nice, but that's the most I can say about this little lullaby. Score: 4/10

64. 1956 - Germany - "So geht das jede Nacht" by Freddy Quinn (placement unknown).
I'm almost ready to call anyone who says "50s Eurovision had great songs" a liar. At least in the first two years it's filled with boring songs, and even knowing the titles for at least 10 years and going through every song every once in a while, I still struggle to hum the melody of about half of these songs from memory. This song, at the very least, is fast paced and you can actually say that this is the only song of its kind. I respect this, but I don't necessarily love this. Score: 4/10

63. 1960 - United Kingdom - "Looking High High High" by Bryan Johnson (2nd place).
A memorable tune in a largely unmemorable contest. UK were the saviour in the 60s Eurovision, usually sending a song that's easy to sing along to, and this one has some little charm to it. Unfortunately, I don't think I'll be done with rants about the boring years for a while. Score: 5/10

62. 1962 - Spain - "Llamame" by Victor Balaguer (nul points).
While this song has a nice tune, and some Spanish charm, it registers as "just ok" for me and is just the best song in a very poor year. Still - pretty shocking that this song wasn't good enough for at least some points. Score: 5/10

61. 1964 - Luxembourg - "Des que le printemps revient" by Hugues Aufray (4th place).
One thing I like to look for in Eurovision songs is some cultural signatures. And call me cray-cray, but I kind of hear a little bit of Johnny Cash, a little bit of US country ballads, and I get the picture of a guy sitting in saloon, playing this guitar, drinking sasparilla in the breaks, and a bar fight is about to break loose. The song does what it sets out to do pretty well. But - for me to love this, it needs to offer a lot more. Score: 5/10

60. 1968 - Norway - "Stress" by Odd Borre (13th out of 17, shared by two other countries).
This is also a fun little number, and even interesting to me. What pulls me to this song? Why I chose this instead of the Troubadours of Dubrovnik? I'm not really sure, but this song really keeps me on my toes, and it deserved much more than meager 2 points, that's for sure. Score: 6/10

59. 1961 - Switzerland - "Nous aurons demain" by Franca di Rienzo (3rd place).
Again, a tough choice between this and the winner, "Nous, les amoureux" from Luxembourg. I find the chorus to be charming, even a little bit captivating, but I don't know... a more gut-wrenching finish maybe? Still, far superior to most of the early chanson-types. Score: 6/10

58. 1973 - Luxembourg - "Tu te reconnaitras" by Anne-Marie David (Winner).
Arguably, the most commanding winner of all time, exploiting the scoring rules at the time and racking 80% of the available points. Also, one of the more beloved winner of its time. So why so low? Although it is structurally very sound and the message is pretty strong, I just can't describe this song as something "special" to me. Score: 6/10

57. 1977 - Greece - "Mathima Solfege" by Paschalis, Marianna, Robert and Bessy (5th place).
A song that excellently showcases what 70s eurovision was about - lovable gimmicks. I really like this, although I have overlistened to this a bit too much and grown a bit tired of hearing it, my feet still moves along to the "Do Fa Fa Fa". Score: 6/10

56. 1987 - Ireland - "Hold Me Now" by Johnny Logan (Winner).
I just made it seem like 1987 was my least favourite year of the 80s, didn't I? Well, there are couple years I care a lot less than this one, because there is more than one song I like here - Israel's performance is still something I show everyone who think they have figured Eurovision out, and Italy was nice too. But this is one of the more quintessencial winners of Eurovision, even if a bit overplayed. Score: 6/10

55. 1978 - Israel - "A-Ba-Ni-Bi" by Izhar Cohen (Winner).
Or, as Terry Wogan would say, "I wanna be a polar bear that wears a bra". 70s were a lot of fun, but it still lacked that song I could say "Yes, this is the one I love". Winner, however, is without a doubt very worthy and deserving, a true disco masterclass. That breakdown might be the best part of the whole song. Score: 6/10

54. Luxembourg - "Poupee de cire, poupee de son" by France Gall (Winner).
One of the eurovision great winners, a quintessential ye-ye classic. Not necessarily what I'd listen on daily basis, but a must-have in every video that showcases the history of Eurovision. Score: 6/10

53. Norway - "Do Re Mi" by Jahn Teigen (shared 9th).
Here's the hot take, everyone - Jahn Teigen never sent a bad song to Eurovision. I really enjoy all three of his appearances, and this one is particularly charming. My favourite, however, is the gut-wrenching "Adieu". Alas, 1982 had a different winner for me. But still a great song. And that's another song I put in this top where the chorus is basically just calling out notes. Score: 6/10

52. 1985 - Israel - "Ole Ole" by Izhar Cohen (5th place).
My pick of a rather boring 1985 - while 1970s were all about fun and atmosphere, 80s were about... I don't even know to be honest, the middle years were just a little too lost in identity crisis. But a former winner Izhar "Jewish Richard Simmons" Cohen brought us some fun back, with the Israeli tradition of doing a full choreographed number while standing so close together that would make a 2020 watcher uncomfortable. Bravo! Score: 6/10

51. 1984 - Italy - "I treni di Tozeur" by Alice and Franco Battiato (6th place).
I think for a 1984 song this is held in high regard, and for a good reason. Some mystique in here, which is always welcome for me. An Italian classic to me. Score: 6/10

50. 1992 - UK - "One Step Out of Time" by Michael Ball (2nd place).
So I was struggling to figure out my favourite for 1992 - while other shows in 90s had a standalone favourite for me, or two even, 1992 just had... Michael Ball. However, the song is pretty good and very well performed, and at the last chorus I actually want to join in on him. Score: 6/10

49. 1999 - Cyprus - "Tha'nai Erotas" by Marlain (2nd... from the bottom?).
Believe it or not, this was one of the pre-contest favourites to win. The most modern, current song Cyprus had attemptet up to then, and it does sound even better after 20 years, to be honest. The last bridge is the best part of the song, and somehow it still wasn't enough to propel this song to the heights it deserved. What happened? Did someone accidentally wrote the country's name as "Sweden"? Score: 7/10

48. 1988 - Italy - "Vivo (ti scrivo)" by Luca Barbarossa (shared 12th).
One of the songs that shouldn't be doomed to irrelevance, but alas. Maybe it was trying too hard, with the electric guitars? Still - I love it not as an Italian classic, but as a very beautiful love ballad, with a very captivating chorus. Give it a listen and tell me, do I need my ears changed or is this something actually good? Score: 7/10

47. 1971 - Finland - "Tie uuteen paivaan" by Markku Aro and the Koivisto sisters (8th place).
One of the first songs that told us "Yo, 70s bout to be real fun". Even though the staging reminds me of something very dated and the local musicians doing performances for closed events, there is something working very well in that chorus. Score: 7/10

46. 1976 - France - "Un deux trois" by Catherine Ferry (2nd place).
Yes, "Save Your Kissed for Me" is a very worthy winner, and a very well known even here in Latvia. But this song just edges this one out in the 1976 contest, which itself is quite dear to my heart - I remember checking the whole show out on a whim while being hangover after Midsummer celebration (a big deal here, I'd say even bigger than Christmas. I'm not joking). Hearing most of the '76 songs for the first time, I was pleasantly surprised at the time how much I liked them, and this one stood out as the particular favourite for me. I'm gonna repeat myself, guys - check out 70s eurovision, if you haven't already! Score: 7/10

45. 1991 - Italy - "Comme e ddoce o mare" by Peppino di Capri (7th place).
Italy has won and therefore also hosted the contest two times - once in Naples, in 1965. And the other time was in 1991, in Rome. And it seems kinda funny to me, that the only song in Neapolitan was showcased in the Rome contest. However, what a beautiful song that is. It's fascinating to sing along to, and although the pace of the song is a bit slow, the bridge is one of the most stunning things in the decade. Score: 7/10

44. 2011 - Iceland - "Coming Home" by Sjonni's Friends (20th place).
I think it's not gonna be a hot take anymore - 2011 was one of the most disappointing contests, having a weak lineup and many of the better songs not even getting high placements. My favourite of that weak year still remains "Coming Home" composed by late Sigurjon "Sjonni" Brink, delivered as an homage by some of his, I would believe, friends. Not necessarily the song of the highest caliber, but incredibly sweet and it did hit the spot for me. P.S. Should've kept it Icelandic. Score: 7/10

43. 2000 - Croatia - "Kad zaspu andeli" by Goran Karan (9th place).
2000 is a special contest for Latvia - we debuted, already got the 3rd place, and the band Brainstorm actually became huge celebrities after the show, selling out big shows even nowadays (well, in 2018 was their last tour). Also, we really like them Olsen Brothers. However, I have picked Croatia, and this is one mighty powerful chorus.That alone is enought to be selected as my favourite of 2000. Also, he looks a lot like Balkan Tommy Wiseau, and I wish someone would do a parody of him belting out "Oh hiiiiiiii Maaaaark!" instead of "Ostani" Score: 7/10

42. 1958 - Italy - "Nel blu dipinto di blu (Volare)" by Domenico Modugno (3rd place and a Grammy).
What is arguably the most succesful Eurovision song doing so low? Well, I'm not one to enjoy the same things as hivemind all the time, however, it is still a great, great song. I remember auditioning for a choir by performing this song in full, even if I didn't speak Italian then (I don't speak it now, but I have taken a course). The choir master told me that I was too good and would probably make other participants sad, and he politely asked me never to come again. Score: 7/10

41. 1966 - Spain - "Yo soy aquel" by Rafael (a shared 7th place).
Well, ain't this a Spanish classic. The delivery of that chorus is truly something, and a ray of brightness in whatever the hell 60s were giving us. Score: 7/10

40. 2017 - Portugal - "Amar pelos dois" by Salvador Sobral (You'll never guess - a winner).
Let's be clear - musicwise, I hate 2017. "Hate" is a strong word you'll say, and you're right - the songs in Eurovision and outside of it were so uninteresting that even "hate" is an emotion they couldn't provoke. The whole year I wanted to finally get something that would finally make me feel some emotion. And "Amar pelos dois" was deffinitely the closest one to do that. Of course, if Lithuania had sent Greta Zazza's "Like I Love You" instead of shooting themselves in the scrotum, I would be much more favourable to 2017 at least Eurovision-wise. But I have to say - "Amar pelos dois" is a great and even needed winner, and I don't want to take that away with my 2017 slander. Score: 7/10

39. 2001 - Croatia - "Strings of My Heart" by Vanna (10th place).
So the only times Croatia cracked the top 10 in the 21st century are the only years they're my favourite entry. That'll be 10 bucks for that fun fact. However, 2001 is a puzzling year - many songs that actually try to bring something different and contemporary to Eurovision, and this might actually be one of the first years when you can say that Eurovision tries to bring together different songs. Some succeeding (Denmark, Slovenia), some not so much (UK). This one I really like - the promised strings elevate the song, and her voice matches them perfectly. Score: 7/10

38. 1990 - Italy - "Insieme: 1992" by Toto Cutugno (Winner).
It's been 30 years since Italy last won Eurovision - explain that, Europe! And "they didn't participate" work as an excuse half the time. The best ever Eurovision host (sarcasm, everybody, sit down!) delivered big time, wanxious tones that make you expect a great chorus and when it came, it really felt beautiful. This is one of the songs that has suffered from me overplaying them a bit, tho, but still. Also note, that this is technically the only win for Slovenians - Pepel in Kri, who represented Yugoslavia in 1975, were backing Toto here. Score: 8/10

37. 1967 - Luxembourg - "L'amour est bleu" by Vicky Leandros (4th place).
Can we make it so that Vicky and the country of United Kingdom switch their victories? We'll get to 1972 UK entry in a bit, but 1967 Vicky was far superior to "Apres toi" in almost every way. French classic at its best, with Vicky changing her pitch to match the mood perfectly and even if you can't speak French, you get the gist of the song perfectly. Score: 8/10

36. 1993 - Norway - "Alle mine tankar" by Silje Vige (5th place).
Years ago, I partook in a Eurovision 30 songs challenge, and when I had to choose a song from my birthyear, I was a bit stunned. Like, what is the song from 1993 that I actually like? Only one I knew was "In Your Eyes" and, as a winner, it makes me scream "How? Who actually thought that this is the best song of them all?". But when I came around "Alle mine tankar", everything just hits right for me. The only song written in Nynorsk, the other of the two Norwegian standard forms, and it is hauntingly beautiful from the first to the last second. Score: 8/10

35. 1963 - Monaco - "L'amour s'en va" by Francoise Hardy (shared 5th place).
Can this get any more underrated? There is something absurdly beautiful in her delivery of the chorus. I just want more of it, a lot more of it. But that 2nd part of the chorus is just exceptional for the year and that state of Eurovision. Eurovision romanticism at its best. Score: 8/10

34. 1972 - UK - "Beg, Steal or Borrow" by The New Seekers (2nd place).
So this is the UK entry I mentioned a few spots earlier. Some Mamas and Papas vibes here, to be honest, it almost seems a little late for the 60s, but boy this is one of the greats. I love that UK was trying in those times. It even seems weird to say - UK was actually trying. Score: 8/10

33. 1998 - UK - "Where Are You?" by Imaani (2nd place).
Talking about UK greatness, songwise this beats "Diva" in a punch. Perfect execution, winner's charisma and catchy melody. Songs like this is what gives me a positive oppinion about eurovision in the seconds half of the 90s (bar 1999). Score: 8/10

32. 1986 - Portugal - "Nao sejas mau para mim" by Dora(14th place are you kidding me???).
1986 had some truly fabulous music worldwide, with my 80s favourite "(I Just) Died In Your Arms" coming out that year, but it wasn't matched in eurovision. There was one truly fabulous song, however, and it's this. The way the tone of the song changes when the chorus starts always gets me. Score: 8/10

31. 1982 - Portugal - "Bem bom" by Doce (13th place??).
1980s Portugal was a whole different beast, and this isn't the last you see if that beast in this top, and for a very good reason. "Bem bom" is the song of 1982 that immediately got stuck in my head once I first head it, and I wasn't disappointed. Score: 8/10

30. 1989 - Austria - "Nur ein Lied" by Thomas Forstner (5th place).
This also could've been a Portgual selection, with "Conquistador" being exceptionally catchy. However, Dieter Bolen's genius got me here, and whenever Thomas does his chorus I get reminded why this isn't just any other 80s dull ballad. Score: 8/10

29. 1959 - Italy - "Piove (Ciao ciao bambina)" by Domenico Modugno (shared 6th place in a pool of 11 countries I'm scratching my head here guys).
This man, Domenico Modugno, singlehandedly saved 50s Eurovision from me never revisiting it. And yes, "Piove" is the one I actually like, nay, love more. Although not with a grandeur of "Volare", the more intimate sound of this one and the instrumental accompanying the marvelous chorus creates a more beautiful combination. Score: 8/10

28. 2015 - Estonia - "Goodbye to Yesterday" by Elina Born and Stig Rasta (7th place - ha, we beat them!).
But 2015 was a great year, you'll say. And I completely agree. It's just no song on its own isn't really doing it on the same level as the following song. "Goodbye to Yesterday" is a great, great song with some clichees but the most amazing melody. And Elina's emotional delivery just steals the show. There is a song I like even more from this contest, however - "Building Bridges" by Conchita. Easily, the best winner's reprise ever, and I didn't even like "Rise Like A Phoenix". Score: 8/10 (10/10 for Building Bridges).

27. 2019 - Sweden - "Too Late For Love" by John Lundvik (5th place).
My favourite entry from Sweden by far? You betcha! Even if it is in line with their typical Melfest pop standards we've been hearing for years with no end, "Too Late For Love" does something extra and something very right - the chorus is magnificent, and the Mamas on the back are a clear response to everyone who says there's no soul in Swedish cooking. Shout out also to the honorable mention Kobi Marimi, who deserves a lot more respect. Score: 8/10

26. 2003 - Spain - "Dime" by Beth (shared 8th).
Spain being hot-blooded and succeeding with it - that's what everyone loves to see. Never a dull moment in this song, Beth's chorus contains both excitement and emotion, things I both love. Score: 9/10

25. 1996 - Estonia - "Kaelakee haal" by Maarja-Liis Ilus and Ivo Linna (5th).
So this is the first succesful Baltic entry, and well deserved - the English version can still be encountered even in our retro radio. It was a hard tossup between this and Poland's Kasia Kowalska with "Chce znac swoj grzech" - seriously, check that out. But the perfect delivery of Maarja and Ivo (and the keyboardist's face) along with the outstanding beauty of Estonian language and Maarja's voice pulled this on top. Score: 9/10

24. 1997 - Turkey - "Dinle" by Sebnem Paker and Grup Ethnic (3rd).
Turkey's first entry that actually succeeded. One of the rare songs where verses I enjoy more than the chorus. The mystical haunting beauty in Sebnem's voice before the chorus rings in and you have a typical Turkish fun chorus works for a wonderful contrast. Score: 9/10

23. 2016 - Germany - "Ghost" by Jamie-Lee Kriewitz (Last in the final, oh boy).
This actually is a very nice, moody song and even in a year of very strongs I still pick this as my winner. The 4 minute version is better, however, but the "alternate ending" part still gets me. Score: 9/10

22. 1979 - Israel - "Hallelujah" by Gali Atari and Milk and Honey (Winner).
My favourite winner of the 1970s in a tight competition with "Ding A Dong". The harmonies are absurdly good, the structure with the singers joining in is nothing short of perfection and that's before I even try to sing along to this. Israel skipped 1980 because of a religious holiday which is weird, because they would still be hosts, couldn't they plan this any other week? I wager they were just tired of winning too much. Score: 9/10

21. 1975 - UK - "Let Me Be The One" by The Shadows (2nd place).
If you'd ask me for a year where I strongly like the actual top 3, 1975 is easily the one, and the pick was a tough choice. It took a while for me to grasp this piece, but oooh boy it's good. Lot of genius moves to make this song feel classic yet interesting. Score: 9/10

20. 1969 - Switzerland - "Bonjour Bonjour" by Paola del Medico (5th place, yet somehow first of the non-winners).
That's right, the winning 4 don't do it for me, but the quadruple bridesmaid Paola is the one that has the most excellent song of the year. The brass announcing every verse is what makes this for me, and this is one of the more fun sing-alongs from the early half of contest, and that's saying something, because "fun" is the theme from late 60s to early 80s. Score: 9/10

19. 1974 - Israel - "Natati La Khayay" by Kaveret (shared 7th).
That's right, it's not ABBA. People fail to grasp that 1974 had a lot more to offer than the golden child of Eurovision. Olivia Newton-John, for example, participated this year. Portuguese entry started a revolution - literally! Entries from Netherlands and Yugoslavia are also great in my oppinion. And even the last placed Germany is somewhat dear to me. This protest to Golda Meir from Israel is the most exciting to me though - that 70s nostalgia charm, the interesting structure, that je-ne-sais-quoi quality in the instrumentation, something just works magically here. Score: 9/10

18. 1980 - Portugal - "Um grande, grande amor" by Jose Cid (1980).
This is how you do a propper Elton John impersonation - with an absolutely amazing song that never seems to stop for a beat (well, except when it does before the last chorus). And this is probably my last chance to say that Portugal was ridiculously disrespected in the 1980s with at least 4 absolute bangers. Score: 9/10

17. 2002 - UK - "Come Back" by Jessica Garlick (shared 3rd place).
2002 was a very good year for Latvia in Eurovision. But it's very clear - our winning entry isn't liked very well. Malta's "7th Wonder" is the one that actually is most fondly remembered from this year, and I absolutely agree - it is a very great song. However, Britain's last top 3 finisher is my favourite from this year. Taking a page from Toni Braxton's book of doing a fantastic RnB inspired love ballad - I want more of this in modern Eurovision, not gonna lie. Score: 9/10

16. 2012 - Bosnia and Herzegovina - "Korake ti znam" by MayaSar (18th place).
This was the toughest choice, honestly. I love Cyprus, Azerbaijan and Malta, each for different reasons. And this year is the year of strong ballads - really, some of the strongest in Eurovision history. I typically hate oversaturation of ballads, but when they are this good, like Albania, Estonia, Germany, Bosnia, Azerbaijan... oh my, 2012 needs some revisiting, this is a goldmine of a year. "Korake ti znam" actually was a slow grower to me and I ended up falling in love just a year ago, but the emotional breakdown after the second chorus is one of the most magical minutes in Eurovision history. Score: 9/10.

15. 2018 - Ireland - "Together" by Ryan O'Shaughnessy (16th place).
Not to be the hipster guy, but I declared this my favourite of the year even when everyone was putting it at last place on their youtube tops. Even if it is a pandering with the gay couple, the music video was the best in recent years for any Eurovision song, and it amplified the emotion in the bridge immensely, and it wouldn't be the same if they didn't try to recreate that feeling in a live show. Ireland really is a songwriter coountry and when they create a song that genuine, it tends to be a masterpiece. Hope to see Ryan returning someday for an even better placement. Score: 9/10

14. 1981 - Austria - "Wenn du da bist" by Marty Brem (17th place).
For real guys, check out that live performance. That WTF-ness of performance is the standard of a ridiculous staging that every joke entry should be striving for. However, this is not a joke song - it actually is an absolutely beautiful composition, excellently enhanced by the instrumentation during chorus. And that little tease of bass guitar is what puts this song so high on this list. And just to note - 1981 had a chock full of amazing songs. Score: 10/10

13. 1994 - UK - "We Will Be Free (Lonely Symphony)" by Frances Ruffelle (10th place).
I'm still puzzled how this one couldn't match the heights of oh so many previous and succeeding UK songs. By far the most exciting song in this monumental year of riverdance, Ireland breaking the record and seven debuts. Just amazing. Score: 10/10

12. 1995 - Norway - "Nocture" by Secret Garden (Winner).
From 1992 to 1996 four times out of five the winner was Ireland. Five times out of five, there was an Irish performer, Fionnuala Sweeney this time. This entry is famous for being the winner with the least words (Finland 1998 tried to outmatch them, but was far from winning). And who needs many words when you can provide experience like that. Everything beautiful associated with Norway in these strings. Score: 10/10.

11. 2004 - Serbia and Montenegro - "Zauvijek moja" by No Name (7th place).
No contest, this is my all time favourite entry from this political entity with a short lived Eurovision career, sorry Željko. When it comes to showcasing the Balkan sound, no song has done better than this, I honestly love everything here. Also, those hairstyles need to come back. Score: 10/10

10. 2007 - Hungary - "Unsubstantial Blues" by Magdi Ruzsa (9th place).
We're now in a territory of songs so good they transcend Eurovision standards. So slick, so professional, the one song from 2007 I want to listen to over and over. And I kinda do feel stupid for putting "L'amour a la francaise" and "Mala dama" above this. Still loving those two songs tho, but Magdi is on a whole different level with this song. More amazing examples of certain genres, please! Score: 10/10.

9. 2013 - Germany - "Glorious" by Cascada (21st place).
Rarely anything makes me feel amazing (or glorious, if you will) quite as much as a late 00s / early 10s pop edm banger. And it took me years to realize this, but this song showcases the things I liked the most from the pop songs of the era beautifully. And this is my tough pick for 2013 - me being one of the rare cases who's ready to declare 2013 as his overall favourite contest of them all. Score: 10/10.

8. 1970 - Spain - "Gwendolyne" by Julio Iglesias (shared 4th place).
Am I crazy to present this conspiracy theory that Spain's previous two ugly victories killed this masterpiece's chances of a well earned win? Because this is a magnum opus level of genius by Latino legend himself. Granted, for a very narrow pool of 12 countries, 1970 was a surprise in how high in quality the song were. UK and France would be my favourite in many of the previous years, and Monaco is my other 10/10 from this year even. Predictable score: 10/10.

7. 2020 - Bulgaria - "Tears Getting Sober" by Victoria (we'll never know...).
This year was robbed from us, and it's hard to believe how Victoria could make a song even better than this one in 2021. But every note sung here was just loaded with the right emotion, and my eyes sure weren't sober after the first listen. Easily my favourite entry in the last few recent shows. Score: 10/10

6. 2006 - France - "Il etait temps" by Virginie Pouchain (too damn low. I mean, 22nd place).
Maybe it was the weak live, but oh my goodness, this song matches incredibly well with rainy mood. There's something in that magical instrumentation that conjures Paris in rain for me. Underrated gem by many, but one of my all time top songs for sure. Score: 10/10

5. 2009 - France - "Et s'il fallait le faire" by Patricia Kaas (8th place).
I'll start with something that won't be recieved well by many of you - I will never recognize "This Is Our Night" and "Dum Tek Tek" as anything more than shallow crap and the fact that these songs finished above France makes my blood boil. Incredible masterpiece musically, lyrically, every way. This year had two more 10/10 songs for me, both underrated by general populace - Portugal and Switzerland. However, the sheer craftsmanship of Patricia Kaas is what makes this as the perfect choice here. Score: 10/10.

4. 2004 - Turkey - "For Real" by Athena (4th place).
Ska rock is possibly the strongest genre in Eurovision, with its limited appearances always getting high placements (Greece 2013, Moldova 2006, Moldova 2011 also did good). And this performance is the most polished of them all, and as for any typical ska song, I enjoy the live performance quite a bit more than the studio version. Score: 10/10

3. 2010 - Romania - "Playing With Fire" by Paula Seling and Ovi (3rd place).
If I had to name my all time favourite winner, without any hesitation I'll say it's Lena. But even she falls second in my personal top of 2010 to this masterpiece. Whatever I said about "Glorious" applies here as well, but even more so - I love how the beat of the song seemingly goes nowhere, like many songs of the time, but the progression of the song falls on the shoulders of the singers, and do they deliver. My all time 3rd favourite song. Score: 10/10.

2. 2008 - Turkey - "Deli" by Mor ve Otesi (7th place).
Easily the best rock performance for me by any country. My second all time, and for a while it was strongly considered my all time favourite song. It's hard to describe in words what I feel for this song. Score: 10/10

1. 2014 - The Netherlands - "Calm After the Storm" by The Common Linnets (2nd place).
In 2014, I was very stressed. I was about to finish 2nd year of Uni, and I had no peace of mind, I rarely could spend time alone with my thoughts, I grew ever more distant from anyone in my life and I couldn't even properly follow Eurovision that year because of these issues, even hearing many of the songs for the first time while watching the show live. Watching that semifinal one night, I was already dismissing songs left and right on twitter, but then this song came on, and it was exactly what my nervous system craved for. Nothing loud, nothing explosive, just calmness in a single camera shot focusing on the emotion of the singers. I thought Europe wouldn't get this and I was extatic when this song qualified, and even achieved 2nd place. From then on the discussion of my all time favourite Eurovision song was settled. Score: 10/10.
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Every Movie I watched in June 2020: 93 total

I’m going to post every movie I watch each month so I’m starting with June 2020. These are just new movies I watched. The movies are ranked from the beginning of the month to the end of the month.
June 1st
  1. Bad Influence (1990)
  2. On Golden Pond (1981)- Henry Fonda was great, loved the movie.
  3. The Shortcut (2009)
June 2nd
  1. Failure to Launch (2006)
  2. Norma Rae (1979)- Sally Field is great and the movie is done well.
  3. Lionheart (1990)
June 3rd
  1. A Soldier’s Story (1984)
  2. Leatherheads (2008)
  3. Penance (2009)
June 4th
  1. Giant (1956)- James Dean would have been a legendary actor.
  2. A Touch of Class (1973)
  3. Chocolat (2000)
  4. Secretariat (2010)
June 5th
  1. The Prince of Tides (1991)- Excellent Nolte performance
  2. Alerted States (1980)
  3. The Odd Couple (1968)- Hilarious
  4. Sounder (1972)
June 6th
  1. Silkwood (1983)
  2. Starred Up (2013)
  3. Becky (2020)- Kevin James is talented despite this sub’s opinion.
June 7th
  1. Shirley (2020)
  2. An Unmarried Woman (1978)
  3. Cover the Mirrors (2020)
June 8th
  1. Julia (1977)
  2. Friday Night Lights (2004)
  3. Surf’s Up (2007)
June 9th
  1. The 4th Floor (1999)
  2. Bat 21 (1988)
  3. She Done Him Wrong (1933)
June 10th
  1. Get Carter (1971)- Much better than the Stallone version.
  2. Two Lovers (2008)- Joaquin Phoenix never disappoints
  3. 61* (2001)- As a Yankee fan, I loved this movie
  4. Two Heads Creek (2019)
June 11th
  1. Bikini Med School (1994)
  2. Peeping Tom (1960)
  3. The Monster (2016)
June 12th
  1. Ulee’s Gold (1997)- Peter Fonda’s best performance
  2. Coal Miner’s Daughter (1980)
  3. Artemis Fowl (2020)- Really bad and disappointing
June 13th
  1. The Droving (2020)
  2. Da 5 Bloods (2020)
  3. The Personal History of David Copperfield (2019)
June 14th
  1. The King of Staten Island (2020)- Much better than I expected
  2. Demonic Toys (1992)
  3. Waffle Street (2015)
June 15th
  1. Alfie (1966)
  2. The Love Guru (2008)- I can see why it destroyed Mike Myers career
  3. Dreamer: Inspired By a True Story (2005)
June 16th
  1. Fiddler on the Roof (1971)
  2. Big Time Adolescence (2019)- King of Staten Island was much better
  3. Hellraiser (1987)
June 17th
  1. Tess (1979)
  2. Vampire Dad (2020)- One of the worst movies I’ve seen
  3. The Phenom (2016)
June 18th
  1. The Circus (1928)- Classic Chaplin
  2. Elmer Gantry (1960)
  3. Middle Men (2009)
June 19th
  1. Brooklyn (2015)
  2. Scooby-Doo! Moon Monster Madness (2015)
  3. You Should Have Left (2020)
June 20th
  1. The Greatest Show on Earth (1952)- One of the worst Best Picture winners
  2. The Institute (2017)
  3. 7500 (2020)- Loved seeing JGL back
June 21st
  1. Lonesome Jim (2005)- Casey Affleck is so good
  2. The Broadway Melody (1929)
  3. Around the World in 80 Days (1956)
June 22nd
  1. After.Life (2009)
  2. Oliver! (1968)
  3. Looks That Kill (2020)
June 23rd
  1. Twin Peaks: Fire Walk with Me (1992)
  2. Bloodsucker’s Planet (2019)
  3. Love Story (1970)
June 24th
  1. The Man in the Iron Mask (1998)
June 25th
  1. Kindred Spirits (2019)
  2. Belly Timber (2016)
  3. Cimarron (1931)- Probably the worst Best Picture winner
  4. Nothing But the Trouble (2008)
June 26th
  1. Find Me Guilty (2006)
  2. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
June 27th
  1. L.I.E (2001)- Disturbing, but really good
  2. Grand Hotel (1932)
  3. Uncle Sam (1996)
  4. Irresistible (2020)
June 28th
  1. Eurovision Song Contest (2020)
  2. Demon Seed (1977)
  3. Allan the Dog (2020)
June 29th
  1. Wings (1927)
  2. The Immigrant (2013)- Joaquin Phoenix is great as usual
  3. Fitzcarraldo (1982)
  4. The Jack Bull (1999)
June 30th
  1. Housekeeping (1987)
  2. Palmetto (1998)
  3. City Hall (1996)
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[Table] IAmA: I starred on Broadway, dated a supermodel, was in a love triangle with Bruce Willis and had a breakdown and ended up in the nut house. AMA!

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Drugs? I've considered the possible implications of your question and decided that yes, I want drugs.
Looks like you're already smoking the drugs: Link to i.imgur.com. That is a pocket trumpet, my friend, and me playing some sick jazz for ants.
How's dating after having been with a super model? My mental history is long, but I was on a downward spiral long before Petra. Mostly having to do with performance anxiety and another girl (sigh). To get a little personal, I was self harming a lot. I'd burn myself or give myself black eyes and have to make up excuses at work and have makeup try and cover it. Blech. It was awful. The whole thing reached an unbelievable, truly epic climax right around this time. If you really wanted to know that story I'll tell you, but it's long, hahah.
Do you still act, if not how do you earn your money now? How much of an egoboost was it to find out she came for you? I have a wonderful girlfriend now but it's a funny thing, everyone I have date since Petra always say the same thing. I'll say I think you're beautiful, and they invariably demure and say, but you dated a supermodel. And then I say, "yeah that's true, but she smelled funny". Which isn't true, she smelled of peaches and champagne, but I find it makes them feel better.
Ty for the response. Well, I think this is wrapping up, so I'll tell you a quick version of this story and then get some burgers or something... Ok... So a year before all this happened I was visiting Toronto on a couple of days off from the show. I went to visit a friend of mine, Adam, at his work in a restaurant downtown. Right as I walk in these guys take off from the patio and ditch the bill. Adam takes off after them, and I follow Adam. One guy goes one way, Adam follows the other and I follow Adam again. They round a corner and when I catch up, they guy is pointing a knife at Adam and then stabs him in the gut!! Then he takes off again. I run to Adam and say, "Adam, are you stabbed?" and he's all, "I think so" with blood pouring out of his gut. So I continue on after the stabber and then chase him down a busy street eventually knocking him into a window. He drops the knife, and I put him in a headlock and pick up the knife and walk back to Adam where he sat bleeding all over the street. I hold the guy there waiting for the cops who ask me to keep him down until they can cuff him etc. Anyway, we go to the hospital and Adam comes out of trauma and I guess he's ok. The knife went in about 4cm into a soft bit of belly fat. The police catch up with us while he's getting stitched up and I have to make a statement. I tell the cop what I tell you now and he says, "Wow, you're a real hero! I'm going to recommend you for this citizen citation." So I'm supposed to get a thing from the chief of police and whatnot. Fast forward one year. I'm with Petra, just out of the hospital, not my best self and my mom calls and tells me "the police want to give you this award and I know you feel like shit, but do you want to come and get it, or they can mail it to you." I tell Petra and she says, "Why don't we go tomorrow and I'll buy you a suit and put you on the plane you can get the award and come back in two days. It'll make you feel much better." I'm not convinced, but we go shopping at Bergdorf and Goodman's and she buys me this $4000 dollar suit from Spencer Hart, Nick Hart the designer happens to be there from London. So she's fussing with on cuff and he's telling me how great I look in this suit. I have a vodka peach juice and an ativan while I stand there to celebrate. I get on the plane that evening have a couple more drinks. I'm wearing my suit because I can't wait to show everyone. I meet Adam back at his bar again. Have a drink, more lithium and ativan. Feeling fine... Go to visit an ex girlfriend at her bar, she gives me a couple more drinks, tells me she cares for me but she's not ready to be at the ceremony tomorrow for the award. The rest is kind of dreamy for a while, but we argue, she cries while she tends the bar and I leave. Then I come back. Sigh... So they don't let me in and say, leave or were calling the police. I say, "fine call the police". Then the police come and say, leave or we're arresting you. I say, "so fine, arrest me". So they cuff me, throw me in the back of the wagon and take me to jail. I strip out of my suit and spread my ass for them. Take off my new Prada shoes so I can't hang myself in the cell. So I sit there alone in this sell, back in my suit, sans belt and shoes. Then I start singing show tunes. Everyone else is making a lot of noise so I thought I would too. One guy is shouting, "Flinstone's meet the Flintstone's" Over and over. One guy keeps shouting for his lawyer. I can't see anyone's cell though, they are just disembodied voices. I start to smash my face against the bars and end up closing my eye completely and getting a nasty bump on my head. In the morning, they release me and my mom and Adam are waiting to pick me up at the station. It's about 11am. At twelve I have to go to the ceremony. I go smoke a bowl at Adam's place and lose my mind a bit. Then I head to the ceremony, my suit worse for wear and my eye swollen shut and purple. I go up when my name is called and get the award from the chief and he comments on my eye. Then I go around to shake all of the officers hands who are all now wearing white gloves. One guy from the year before says, I remember you, you were a real hero that night thank you for the help. And the guy right next to him is from the night before, older and gruff, he says,"yeah and I've known this guy a long time and if he says you're ok, I guess you're ok." And that was it. The moment I realized I would be telling this story until I died.
If you feel like sharing your story, I'd love to read it. Don't feel pressured though I'm just a very curious guy :D.
Is it the truth? "I think you're beautiful", I mean. Are you actually still physically attracted to normal women, or is (wonderful person thing aside), a matter of "Taking what you can get"? How does the sex compare? Is your mind in the moment or are you thinking the past. I really don't think it was the be all end all. I mean, Petra wasn't really my "type" as stunning as she was. So it may sound disingenuous, but I know I've dated girls I find more attractive. Either way, I still don't compare one to the next. And I don't think I've ever tried to think of the past if I'm with someone else.
Who was better in the sack: Bruce or the supermodel? Feel free to discuss length/girth re Mr. Willis. I think I may have mislead you, it was more of a love angle with her in the middle and he and I never meeting. I was pretty impressed with his charm though and although Petra and I fought over his advances, I was secretly impressed that I was in that situation. Having said that, you can see Willis's Willy in Color of Night with Jane March in the pool scene. I remember this because it was the first time I saw Bruce Willis's wiener.
Is it big(er than yours)? It's not fair to say, the pool looked very cold.
Just curious, are you gay? Bi? *Curious, not interested. You didn't even list straight as an option? Anyway, I'm straight. Wait, how much money we talking about?
How did you and Petra meet? She came to see Rent and sat in the second row. I noticed her because she's hard not to notice and flirted with her through the entire second act. This is of course terrible etiquette for a stage actor. Nevertheless, I'd smile at her and she'd smile back. I had no idea who she was, but she was stunning. Anyway, she waited after the show with her sister and a friend and asked me if I knew anywhere to go in the city because she didn't really know of anything. I suggested the hotel bar at the Edison where I drank after most of the shows. I had no idea she was being very coy. Later we ended up a club and the doors flew open for her and that's when I started to get that she wasn't just some cute eastern European girl who liked musicals. We made a date for the next day and that's when she explained who she was and that she had seen the show before and came back to meet me. It was at that moment I realized I was the coolest guy I knew.
Got any stories about your time in RENT? (My favorite show, by the way, next to Les mis, and Bye Bye Birdie) I loved the show. It's still my favorite thing I've ever done in my life. I did it for a number of years on the road before Broadway. In fact it was my first foray into theater. Up until then I was strictly a musician that nobody cared about (except maybe my mom).
The first week I had to perform Roger, I was in Tampa and hadn't quite figured out where to breathe when I was singing. So in the big note in the end of the show, the final "Mimiii" over her carcass I had twisted up my body and was out of air before I should have been. But I kept singing!! Until I completely blacked out and collapsed on her. There's quite a bit of time after that where the music swells and I'm supposed to be weeping over her dead body, so it worked out that I came to with just enough time to catch up with what was going on. Oddly nearly no one in the cast noticed onstage as it was pretty close to the blocking. But they said it sounded like "you were living your life out there". I don't think it was a compliment.
I know you covered for Adam Pascal on tour. Describe that phone call, if you have a minute. :) I was actually with him when he went to the doctor. He came out and was like, dude, I think you're going to have to go on for me for a couple of weeks because my back is screwed. First let me tell you, the guy is like a hero to me, I mean, I saw him do the role in 96 before I ever wanted to be in theater. I was in awe. After so many years and having made my own reputation, to finally get to meet him and to cover for him was an honor. And a pleasure. He is one cool MF. And that voice. And he still looks like he's in his twenties. huh, kinda missing him now. I should ring him!
That's awesome. What years did you do it? In NY I did it from 2002-2005 with some breaks (psychotic and otherwise). On the road I started in 97 and did it as recently as 2010 I think.
Any experience with Idina Menzel? None at all. Met her briefly while she was getting an award for something, I'm not sure if even she knew what for, hehe.
I just wanted to say I saw one of the shows that you covered for him for and I thought you were amazing. I was disappointed at first (sorry!), but by the end of the show, I was pretty happy. Yeah, they are big boots to fill! Glad you didn't have to ask for a refund. It comes directly out of my paycheck.
Did you do a show at Bloomsburg University? I might have helped build the stage for you :) No, that wasn't my production. Are you still doing that sort of thing? It's always handy to know someone who can build a set! hehe.
Is this you? If so, just want you to know I like it. I want you to know I like you. Thanks for the compliment. I wish I had something better up for you to check out. Alas, I'm the worst promoter ever. But this is the comment that made me the happiest so far! Funny enough it wasn't the one looking for naked pictures of my ex.
I would be very interested in hearing more about your trip through europe. And the gypsies. Definitely want stories about what it was like to hang out with a bunch of Romanian gypsies. They are wild guys. I mean, you're surrounded by music at all times, and cigarettes and coffee and beer. If you get into a car, someone, likely Florin, is playing guitar in the backseat.
Most of them only spoke Romanian, apart from Dan who translated everything. Though I never trusted his translations because he's a gypsy and gypsy, as a rule should not be trusted. That said, he is one of my dearest friends and I love him to death.
After a few years away from them he called me a few months ago to submit a song for the Eurovision song competition. We ended up as semi finalists to represent Romania but we lost to... well it's best you just look it up. It has to be seen to be believed. You won't regret it.
Anyway, after being away from them for so long, it was so great to see they hadn't changed at all. Florin however had decided to take up the pan flute, so wherever we'd go, it was like being followed by Zamfir or Pan, or wind chimes. I'm not a fan of pan flutes.
It doesn't sound like Musetta's Waltz. pick toss
Dude, that song sounds awesome! I've felt like staying in bed some days, too. What's your best advice at doing the opposite? You're the man for doing this AMA. Before I give you any advice for how to get out of bed, I should note that I'm in bed. I feel like I'm being productive though, hahah. But thank you very much for the compliment! I'm also enjoying this AMA, as should be evidenced by the fact that I'm answering every freaking question. Can you smell that? The smell of a desperate plea for attention? Upvote me or I could end up looney again!
As a Romanian, this made my day sir :) Multsumesc pentru vot heheh.
Hahah that's funny. I can't say that I wouldn't be doing the same thing, if I was kinda famous. and yeah, the only reason I'm not in bed is because my laptop is broken. I'm glad you're feeling productive! And about the looney thing: I heard a good Dave Chappelle quote about words like "crazy". He basically said that it's dismissive, calling someone crazy. Usually it just meant that their environment was a little sick. How did your perspective on that type of stuff change, after seeing people who were "crazier" than you were? Did you feel like your problems were more easily solvable? There was something that happened while I was there for sure. I think at first I was sure I belonged there and then I started to feel out of place. There were definitely some people who will never be able to integrate into regular society. Their minds are just gone. And others who may be helped with the right medication. I think I just needed a safe place for a while. It wasn't my first trip to the hospital, but my longest and I think the last one I will have.
It took me several years to put myself back together, but with the help of my family in particular my brother, who took me back packing through Europe and running with the bulls and sky diving in Switzerland and Cliff diving in Greece. That shit was epic. It didn't give me a lot of time to think about how miserable I was because I was busy being terrified. Anyway, I don't really know what I'm saying here, haha, I think my hangover is catching up with me.
I guess what I'm saying is I'm not sure where I fit in the spectrum, and even that varies depending on when you ask me. But at this stage in my journey, I'm grateful for all of those experiences that brought me to this point right now.
Cu placere!!! I loved the AMA, how come you visited Romania? It's not on peoples To Go list haha :) I met a Romanian musician who ran a bar in Switzerland. We started playing together and then he put together a band of gypsy musicians from Baia Mare. Eventually we started going to play there and Satu Mare and a few other small towns. I really enjoyed it and loved the people! More recently, I was in Craiova for the Eurovision thing and then when we go into the semi finals spent a month in Bucharest. I started to pick up a very little bit of Romanian, but had the most amazing time there. I will probably go back again soon as I still have the band there and even some fans!! Which is very neat. Where are you from?
What is it like being in a broadway musical? It's so cool. It's like this little club. You go out for dinner and run into Matthew Broderick and share a plate of Oysters with him... Funny story, when I met him for the first time we talked about his wife and I said "I love the show Weed's" thinking Mary Louise Parker was his wife (he's actually married to Sarah Jessica Parker). I don't know if he made the connection or just thought I was prone to random interjections.
I miss it. A lot. I'm happy of course, but there is something about that level of fame that suits me just fine. You perform for 2000 people and then go outside and sign autographs for 20 minutes and then hop on the A train and no one knows you or gives a shit about you. Maybe once or twice a month you get asked on the street if you are so and so. Ideal if you ask me.
You shared your oysters? Good man. Above and beyond. They were his oysters. It was actually the first time I'd tried oysters. I've acquired a taste for them if only to be able to tell the story to any waiter that will listen.
Was it nice in the nut house? It wasn't bad... Like, not as bad as I thought it would be. I had my own room, though some others shared. The staff was nice. The patients were fascinating and really represented a wide array of crazy. There were a few freak outs in the short time I was there (just under a couple of weeks) but nothing too serious. It was slightly less cozy than a dorm in a college but comparable. They had board games and other fun activities. I played probably the most hysterical game of Clue with four other lunatics. It didn't progress very far and ended up with some drooling, screaming, and one unconscious Asian kid.
Hey, I attended my first broadway (Chicago) about two weeks ago. What would be the best way for a handsome but a modest man like myself to approach one of the lady performers and invite her out for drinks? Wait by the stage door, not during a matinee, and try to make eye contact when she exits. If she smiles back, you're in. I suggest having a box with you and cutting a small hole in the bottom. then... put... put your dick in it.
people say chivalry is dead. You can't argue with results.
Views on Bruce Willis? There was one night that we were all out at some club, I really don't remember the name, but one of those places fancy people go to. At the end of the night I saw Bruce slip away to go home. On his way out (and mind you he was hitting on Petra all night) he passed these two hot young girls by the door. He exited, returned about 3 seconds later leaned in and whispered something to them, and they immediately left together. In my mind, that will always be some kind of cool. I've always liked the guys work. Hence how intimidating the whole situation was.
Is it possible that the first three weren't true and your belief in them led to the last part of the title? You just blew my freaking mind.
Drug of choice? Pot and booze. Always the one before the other or I want to throw up. You know what they say, pot before beer, never fear. Beer before pot, spins you got. Well... I used to say it.
I'm about to attend college in the fall to major in musical theatre. I starred in only one musical during high school, but have acted in three total musicals. Obviously, high school theatre is completely different than real world theatre. If all goes well for me, I plan on moving to New York once I am done with my education. Are there any tips you can give me for surviving in "real world" theatre? What was it like on Broadway? How many shows a week did you have? How many hours of rehearsal? What was auditioning like? What do Broadway directors look for in their cast? Hey, have a great time in college and best of luck, it's definitely nice work if you can get it, and you can get it if you try. To answer some of your easier questions, we do 8 shows a week and rehearse for about 6 weeks leading up to a show. After that it's maintenance and you typically don't rehearse much once the show is up and running. Maybe once every two weeks. It's a pretty exhausting schedule, especially 5 show weekends, so it's important, crucial in fact, to keep yourself healthy. Drink lots of water!
Thank you so much! As exhausting as it sounds, it also seems extremely fun and rewarding. I can't wait to get out there! Sorry, but I have more question that I forgot about. How many auditions did you have to go through before you finally landed a role? Rent was the first show I went out for. I wasn't an actor at all at that time. It was a funny story , but anyway, I did two auditions and then got the role. I've heard of some of my friends doing 10-15 auditions though, and they are incredible performers, so it just depends I guess.
What's your favorite show (or top 5? It's hard to pick favorites!)? Do you listen to the songs from musicals for fun? Okay, pretty easy question...
I love Rent, Les Miserables, Chess!!, Jesus Christ Superstar and Tommy. I listen to some musicals for fun for sure! Some I sing at the top of my lungs and imagine one day getting to do it. Like, man, to get to be Judas?? Or the American in Chess??? Wow, that would be cool.
Jesus-we have the EXACT same likes in shows. Which is odd, since I've never heard a guy list off exactly those shows, as I have. :) I would add Once to that list, but I haven't actually seen it. I'm basing that on the music, clips I've seen and what I understand about the concept of the show. Have you seen it?
Do you still talk to Petra? Nah... we stayed in contact for a while, but we're ex's and I think we fulfilled the roles we were meant to in each others lives. She was meant to pull me back from the brink of oblivion and I was meant to... to... I'm sure I wasn't a terrible boyfriend.
I think we fulfilled the roles we were meant to in each others lives. I love that phrase, made me feel a bit sad about a couple of my Ex's but hits the nail on the head. The relationship served it's purpose. Yeah, 'tis the very heart of bittersweet.
I'll be honest and admit I have no clue who you are! From what I googled and such you seem like a very sincere guy though. You do seem to have a great deal of life under your belt already though, both intentionally and not. After dating a supermodel and competing with Bruce Willis over her romances, would you say this gave you a taste for simpler things and people, or a thirst for more experiences like it? You've said elsewhere your mental health history is long and you have even been hospitalized due to it. Having experienced the medical fields at large inexperience with mental illness and societies general educational gap concerning mental health, where do you your opinions stand on a need for more research into mental health? What a thoughtful comment/question. Where do I start... Mayo. Okay one down. Next working backwards, I really think there needs to be a lot more research going into mental health. I can't comment very intelligently on the matter, but I don't feel like I've seen too many people who've had their situations improved by the current forms of treatment. Everyone is being diagnosed with some disorder or other and put on some kind of meds that were meant for something else that has the side effect of alleviating depression, but may also cause suicidal tendencies. It's hard to understand the process there. But I'm not an academic so aside from shaking my fist and giving anecdotal evidence, I really don't have any idea what I'm talking about. What I do know is that my experience with Petra and Bruce and the show life were incredible and I would love to experience that again. Having said that, I took off and lived in Thailand for the last couple of years, played in a restaurant by the water. I found that equally fulfilling. I also took a job as a maid in a Switzerland hostel making bed and cleaning up shit from students on their gap year. Then I joined a band of gypsies in Romania. I love that I have stories almost as much as I enjoyed the years of semi-stardom. Gone, but not forgotten.
What has been going on with your career lately? Not a whole lot, mate. I'm doing the slow play... gonna make a comeback sometime in the 2020's.
Do you still play music? You should put some stuff online if not. Could have a potentially big reddit following going on. I'm encouraged to do just that. Hopefully I don't miss the boat. I'm overwhelmed by the support. With any luck the music will live up. In the meantime, check my submission for the Eurovision competition (I was a semi finalist for Romania, hahah). Link to www.youtube.com
Ok, I'll ask...Petra the best you ever bedded? I'm not talking about appearance. But, "performance." Feel free to ignore my perverted question. A gentleman never tells. But I will tell you a quick story that wouldn't get me into trouble. I was sleeping and then she started sucking my big toe and it startled me and I kicked her in the face. That's as much detail as your going to get from me, buster... Unless it's over drinks and then I get chatty.
Did the character you played have aids? Everyone has Aids!
Not quite- Maureen/Joanne do not. They did (I believe) in the NYTW production (where many of the songs didn't even exist -shudder- -begins to sing- For someone cool, you're a fool...) Indeed, I was just riffing on the parody they did in Team America World Police. But yeahhh, now that you sing that song, I vaguely remember hearing it and thinking, wow... that was nearly in the show.
So what ended up happening with the love triangle? Did Bruce end up with Petra Nemcova for some time after you? We parted ways shortly thereafter. She never ended up with Bruce. After me she dated James Blunt. Sooo... I don't know what to say about that.
What are you up to now? I'm pretty normal. I play music in bars for a living. Nothing too exciting, but I'm still very happy that I make a living doing something I love. I literally prefer to work over having a day off, so that's something. I write music, some of it isn't terrible. I still have aspirations to perform on Broadway again, but one never knows. I travel extensively and bring a guitar wherever I go, like Richie Valens in La Bamba. Or like a dirty hippie.
"like Richie Valens in La Bamaba. Or like a dirty hippie." You just made a friend for life. Heheh. niceee.
Can I please buy you a couple of drinks?? Lol. Yes, please have them sent to the Fox and the Fiddle in Toronto. I will be there to claim them shortly. Please feel free to join me and I'll return the favor!
Where were you a year ago when I was at this pub! Also I hope your hangover is cured. Pho always helps :) Today is a new day and I feel capital. Pho may just be just the next thing I stick in my mouth!
Do you have a diagnosed mental illness, or was it more like a nervous breakdown? I suck up your envy like a milkshake. Even though it's predicated on the mistaken belief that I'm working anymore.
Also, always envious and proud of a working actor! As for my mental illness, I've been diagnosed bi-polar but I don't know about any of it. I really am not sure what was/is wrong with me.
Is Bruce Willis really an insufferable asshole like I'm lead to believe? I'm still a fan!
It doesn't answer the question. I really couldn't say based on the small interaction we had while he was trying to fuck my... oh wait... yeah, he's an asshole.
Dude, you were in Rent? Badass. Right???
How many Hudson Hawk jokes did you get to make to Bruce? You didn't like Hudson Hawk?? I'm not saying it was a masterpiece, but my family watches it every year on the winter solstice. It gets better on the tenth viewing.
Hudson Hawk is an unintentional masterpiece, though I don't think Willis wants to acknowledge its existence. Agreed, but it never did come up in the six words I managed to say to him while he hit on my girlfriend. He's pretty intimidating. Also dreamy.
How scary was it when you were rescued from that building fire in Interlaken? HA! It was pretty nerve wracking. I woke up choking on smoke and then opened the door to my room to find the floor gone and flames and smoke billowing in. I was kind of panicked and left through the tiny window to see a street fair outside. I was trying to remember the German word for "Fire". They seemed to think it was funny, but I thought I was done for. More likely because I was likely going to fall to my death because the ledge I was balancing on was giving way. Anyway, suffice it to say the Swiss build better window ledges than I gave them credit for. I hung out on it for about 15 minutes until the fire guys showed up and helped me down. It was my last day in Switzerland and my house burned down. So odd. I was just back there a few months ago and the building is gorgeous. Nice renovation. I am curious where you found that information...
Fire in DE: Feuer. Danke!
Is Positiv Einfach still in the building? No, sadly it's a Chinese restaurant now. That place was awesome though. I was left to run the bar for about a week while Dan the owner was off doing gypsy things. I started drinking the Guinness from the tap. We closed the place to the public and bartered for drinks. Someone potted a plant in the bar well. Man, it was like some kind of heaven.
Saw you in RENT back in 04 or 05 and really enjoyed your performance. If I remember correctly I feel like you had a lot of fan girls in the audience. Was this just par for the course in a show such as RENT, which attracts such a young audience? Did any fan girls ever get overbearing or think they were actually friends with the cast? Did any fan girls actually BECOME friends the cast, or even date them? Rent certainly had it's fair share of groupies. Some became friends others were sort of creepy. It's unlikely they knew which category they fit into. I personally had problems with some of the girls (and guys) that felt they were owed something. But for the most part, it was nice to be appreciated and a lot of them were terrific people who were just a tad obsessive! It's funny to see that as time went on, some of the girls grew up from screaming teenagers to become lawyers and actors and doctors. It's pretty cool actually!
Also, saw some posts above about how you noticed her in the second row and flirted through the second act, is this a common thing for actors to do? I was under the impression you can't see the audience from onstage. As far as dating a fan? I'm sure it's happened, but that would have been super infrequent.
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